South African Desteni Group; In Response to Desteni's Monroe

Are Veno and Co. Gaining Momentum?

In Response to a Destenian 'Monroe' Letter


    November 2007

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INTRODUCTION
Life can be an amazing ride. In the early Desteni youtube days in August this year Eagle asked me if I had any wishes for certain deceased ones to speak through the portal. One of my requests back then was Robert A. Monroe. Well, as you know many things have changed in my perspective on the Desteni group since then. Click on the links above to get a better understandings of the differences that have grown during the months.

Since the beginning of September I started to retract from the group, mainly because I started to doubt the intentions of those speaking through the portal. During my last 'retraction period' I got once again attracted to one of the concepts that were presented by Robert Monroe in his second book 'Far Journeys'. The concept of the Monroe Bands had been mostly confirmed by those speaking through the desteni portal. I wanted to see how another major idea from his books would fit into my reality-perspective: the loosh-concept.

Since then I have written about four pages on the topic when I took a look at Desteni's site once again to see what is going on down there in South Africa. I was quite surprised to see the name of Robert Monroe in the same list with beings like Veno and Jack. This may be a coincidence, but perhaps some of the desteni-readers noticed this development on my site. I cannot tell. I do want to 'study' the words that are supposedly from the being that lived a life as 'Robert A. Monroe' until his death in 1995.

A Text from Robert Monroe?
Well, I want to comment as a read the text which can be found at Desteni. I have chosen for this approach because I have learnt from the past that as soon as I delay writing about desteni matters, the differences between our realities increase to such an extent that I don't want to write anything anymore. So, let's write while I still have the energy to do so. I intend to jump from quote to quote and see how far I can get. The quotes are within the green blocks and can be found at the site I just mentioned. Off we go!

...though, this ‘Robert Monroe’ as who I was – was nothing more than an implanted system of this world, filled, aligned, formed, designed of technological information constructs – much like the technological advanced mind’s of which human beings consists of and have become, which will die, and will only continue to exist as memories within the minds of others as the unified consciousness field.
That's a nice way to start: Robert Monroe was nothing more than an implanted system of this world. When I continue reading I already sense the same old messages being reiterated again. I don't even feel like going into a discussion about the possible identity of the one speaking, nor am I inclined to seriously talk about the ideas presented. Let's try some more...

You ‘design’ that which you are – the controllers, designed control to control the controlled through technologically designed mind systems as control. Technologically designed mind systems designed technology = the equation is simple, the equation is obvious.

... I have the answer to the question why we are not free, which I mentioned before: The technological mind system that exist within and as each and every single individual human being – it is just an answer though, just an answer – like an answer to a question, though, this answer is an answer to a question asked and answered from standing as all as one as equal: Oneness and equality. No human being has taken into consideration themselves as all as one as equal: The one ‘law’ of existence: Oneness and equality.

Then again: Here is the answer to the question from the perspective of standing as all as one as equal: Will you ‘see’ this, will you ‘realise’ this – that your own mind as thoughts, feelings and emotions is of the technological mind system design placed within each and every single human being, born into a system as system – to be controlled – that is the cause, the reason for why and how freedom is non existent and why and how this world has become the very destruction of ourselves – yet the advancement of the field of technological evolution.

And here's for some more 'we are all bad systems'-rap:

So we have the world, humanity searching and seeking for ‘truth’ and ‘freedom’ – well, here I give perspective for why we are not free – the cause of enslavement is the mind of thoughts, feelings and emotions that exist within human beings – enslaved by information as words with definitions – a technological mind system of constructed information. ... We’ve become systems – building system – you manifest, build and design that which you are – this is proven if you look within this world – and what’s most fascinating is that each human being has a mind system – that which ‘thinks’ that which ‘feels’ that which become ‘emotional’ – and because everybody is this, this mind system – it is accepted by all as ‘who we are’ – but how can this mind system be ‘who we are’ if it dies at death – and no longer remains at death? I am an example of this – as I have stated – I am not the Robert Monroe as what and who I was on earth – here I am as the words I type.
Then the being goes on to question definitions of words. It eventually advocates to stop searching, to stop thinking and to stop feeling. It is the well-known desteni message once again, told in a word-twisting manner (see about the semantic war in the article 'Is the Portal Being Fooled?'). I do still trust my ability to think and to feel and this message sure feels distorted.

Such questions, is only able to be answered for yourself, by yourself, if the technological mind system of constructed information cease to exist within you – no more participation in thoughts, feelings and emotions – and together with the process of ceasing the existence of the technological mind system of constructed information within and as you, live words – ‘become’ the living word – stop searching and live.

A thing that I find rather unsettling is the strength of this distortion. Somehow it seems to be growing stronger. Would Veno and co. actually be gaining momentum? Would they really already have so many followers, perhaps we can call them 'destenians', who give them their energy? Who are willing to give away their power to think, their power to feel? People who feed these demons by thinking that they are doing a good thing by stopping their mind? Would people have actually forgotten that the mind is infinite, when used properly? Perhaps it would be better to close the door to them immediately and forever? Let's move on for a little while longer, though.

So – if each and every single human being within this world – stand within and as oneness and equality as all as one as equal – stop the existence of the mind system of thoughts, feelings and emotions, pictures and memories, information and knowledge – and ‘become’ the living word – living words – living ‘freedom’ as one as equal as self = ‘freedom’ as oneness as equality as all as one as equal will be and become the manifested experience and expression of who we are as all as one as equal – this, to me – is ‘freedom’ – when the technological mind system cease to exist – each and every single human being, live the word ‘freedom’ as self, within and as oneness and equality as all as one as equal as who we are = this is where ‘life’ is born in the physical – who we are as the living word. Though – yet again – hear my words – this ‘freedom’ as who we are as all as one as equal as the living word – which each live within and as oneness and equality as all as one as equal – will only exist: If the mind system cease to exist within and as each and every single human being.

It is fascinating indeed and I am quite impressed: they have really developed their own destenian tongue, which is awkwardly hypnotizing. To me it feels like when you read these words you are already tapped into, you become trapped, as if you are caught by a demonic web which is designed to kill off your mind. It is like monotonous sounding drums that can put your mind in a spell, making you into a puppet for them to use. To me it feels as if their words are slowly infecting the mind, paradoxically turning people into destenian systems.

I didn't expect myself to be using this kind of terminology, but I think it is necessary. They really are learning to poison the minds of those visiting their site or who watch their videos. You are bound to get caught in their web, especially when you are inclined to be a follower. The words 'oneness and equality' feel like a curse to me when they are used by them. Am I starting to get paranoid here, or is there really something seriously demonically wrong with this group? It has been interesting to watch this phenomenon develop. Let's just hope it won't brainwash too many people into mindless destenian puppets.

See you,
Gibbon
November 2007


P.S. I also posted this page in two forum threads: Noble Realms: The Dead Series, #202 at page 14 and in South Africa at Are Veno and Co. Gaining Momentum?.

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